To Live or Let Die?

Does Aston Martin want to keep the Gaydon Era cars on the road, or let them die a cruel death of decay and Internet infamy?

I think Aston Martin is making a big mistake here (that they may not even realize).

DB9 written off, 2008, 15,000 miles, limited damage

I’ve been seriously considering this question recently as an owner of one of those cars (a 2005 DB9 Coupe).   Has Aston Martin made a deliberate decision to ignore the high costs of service for the early cars accelerating the death of these vehicles?   Or, are they oblivious to this situation merely looking forward at new models and, by this inattention, are inadvertently contributing to the demise of vehicles they would prefer to keep alive and proudly representing the marque?  They tout the high percentage of all Aston’s ever made still being on the road – but this seems to be related to the vintage classics, not the newly emerging modern classics.  Without some change in Aston’s course, the result will be the same either way, the Gaydon era cars are now dying off and decaying in large numbers.

Gaydon Production Line

The Gaydon era cars are the DB9’s and Vantages (along with their evolutionary variants) that started being built back in 2004 at the new Gaydon, UK factory and continue through today.   When the DB9 was introduced there was a surge of sales never enjoyed by Aston before (that likely saved the company).  These cars weren’t cheap when they were sold with prices north of $175,000 USD.   But they have been suffering tremendous depreciation over the years.   Decent examples of the early DB9’s can be had for under $35,000 USD today.  Only the more limited editions seem to have been spared the worst of the depreciation, with DBS’s holding on near $100,000 USD.

With the age of the vehicles increasing, their values dropping, and the introduction of the DB11, the DBS Superleggera and the new Vantage enticing existing Aston owners to upgrade, the second hand market is teeming with early Gaydon era cars.   This is terrific for many would-be new owners of lesser financial means (like me) looking to buy their dream car that is now within reach.    This class of owner has some disposable income, but has little hope of ever dropping $250K USD on a brand new Aston model.  They are realizing that rather than buying a new Porsche 911 or BMW M car (like everyone else) for more than $80,000 USD they can get a gorgeous pre-owned DB9 for under $50K.  And by doing that, they join the Aston Martin family and have a truly rare and beautiful automobile.

2005 DB( with left front fender damage – salvaged

An owner buying a second hand Aston is also deeply worried (with good reason) about the costs to maintain their new mistress.  They can afford the original purchase, but what about the service?   Even with the modern manufacturing techniques introduced at Gaydon under Ford’s ownership, the cars were still considerably hand crafted.  With the earliest Gaydon era cars now 15+ years old, they will certainly be showing signs of their age.   Things that affect any and all cars will start to deteriorate.  Rubber doesn’t last forever and gets dry and brittle (used in door seals, hoses, belts, etc.)  Leather that was once supple starts to get dried out and crack.  Batteries only last 5-10 years.  ‘Filled for Life’ fluids need to be changed else it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.  This doesn’t mean the cars are crap, but that they need attention to keep them in terrific condition.

But, the costs of dealer maintaining an Aston Martin are very, very high.  Chip in your windshield?  Something that costs under $200 USD for a Honda Civic to replace is a whopping $4,300 USD for a DB9.  Consider that this is potentially 10% of the current cars value.  Why is that?  Aston may argue it based on volume, and truthfully, it is to a degree.   There are a million Honda Civics out there, so companies making windshields will tool up and make competitive options, and competition and volume brings prices down.  They sell them at a lower price and make it up in volume, and this enables them to pay for the tooling and costs of holding inventory.   Aston doesn’t get this luxury.  With maybe 15,000 Gaydon cars sold, how many windshields will they sell in a year?   They still have the expense of all the tooling (or at least their OEM supplier does), and have to recover it over a very small number of sales.  I get that – but…

DB9 written off with $130,000 of damage from a large stone

Aston is also a premium brand, and knows it.  They have certainly calibrated their Parts and Service departments around this.  If an owner can afford a new quarter of a million dollar Aston Martin, they can certainly afford a $4,300 windshield.  A mere pittance.   Aston most certainly has a premium amount of markup on their parts, and the Parts and Service departments are profit centers helping keep the Dealers alive.   Fair enough, but this works only for that class of owner.

The owners of a second/third hand DB9 can’t afford to dealer service a car for EVERYTHING that it needs.  They don’t have $10-$20K USD per year to invest in a car that is decreasing in resale value.  They are PASSIONATE about and LOVE their cars, but they just don’t have the means to service them entirely using the traditional Aston Martin service model.  They can and want to change their own oil, their brakes and their tires just like any Honda owner could.  They will buy some of the parts where available through the aftermarket.  They will check out forums (like http://www.PistonHeads.com and http://www.6SpeedOnline.com) and websites and Youtube channels (like www.Aston1936.com and www.Redpants.lol) for ‘how to’ instructions for the most common issues.  When something more complicated goes wrong, they will still reluctantly look to an official Aston Dealer for help and repairs (and be glad the Dealer is there for them).   In short, they love their cars and will look for ways to maintain them on a reasonable budget.

Salvage titled DB9 being brought back to life by an enthusiast

But, if an owner of an early DB9 suffering from a handful of routine normal wear and tear issues (cracked windshield, old battery, lumpy idle from weak coil packs, dead TPMS sensors, needing brakes and tires) arrives at a Dealership, they could be facing a $15,000+ USD repair bill.   As overwhelming as this is, it may cause them to immediately look to dump the car onto the Internet market at a discounted price (feeding the downward price spiral).  Or, worse yet, defer the needed maintenance even further turning the car into a less than desirable beater wagon full of ‘issues’ until she won’t start any more or is unsafe (and off to the worst death of all, the dismantler/breaker).  Either way, the result is one less Aston on the road, one unhappy owner, and a Dealer that got ZERO revenue rather than $15K.   Nobody wins.

Aston Martin Can Save the Day

Consider this.  Back in the 1970’s, the phone company had a monopoly on services.  A phone call from the United States to the United Kingdom would cost $5 USD per MINUTE (and those were 1970’s dollars).   The phone company had invested dearly in transatlantic cables, and needed to grind the revenue back out of us to pay for it.  The result was families that used the service as little as possible, and for as short as possible.  “Happy Birthday Mom.  Merry Christmas and Happy New year.  I’m alive and doing well.  Love you, call you next year”.   Five minute phone call, $25 to the phone company.  Huge profit margins on sadly low volumes. Only corporations and the rich had the means to use the system extensively, and the phone companies managed some profit.

Eventually the phone companies tried something.  They lowered the costs of the service so the middle class could afford it.  They cut their profit margin drastically.  To their surprise, volumes of calls skyrocketed, and so did their profits.   Making a modest profit on massive volumes makes them more money.   Customers happy, Phone Company Happy, and Mom’s all over the world were happier.  Everybody wins.

Can’t Aston Martin do the same thing to save the Gaydon era cars from their impending doom?  Wouldn’t the world be a better place if it did, keeping these beautiful cars on the road for generations to come?

All they would need to do is reduce the prices of the existing parts for these specific modern classic models.  The coil packs for my DB9 won’t fit a DB11, so they can still charge what they want for the current models whilst offering saving on the old ones.  Their initial investments in design and tooling for the parts is likely fully recovered by now (or as recovered at it will ever be).  Rather than selling just ten $4,300 windshields a year, could they cut the price to $1,000 and sell 100 of them (ten times more), and save the day fixing 90 more cars and still making the same profit?  And wouldn’t that make 90 more dealer relationships that might one day lead to more sales?

From Salvage to Pride and Joy (credit to Justin Lowhorn)

How about the labor costs of Dealer service?  Honestly, I don’t think they are that bad.  In my area the Aston Martin Dealer service rate is $175 USD per hour.  A local Toyota dealer is $165.  Not as cheap as your local mechanic/specialist down the street, BUT, the dealer has skills and equipment that the guy down the street doesn’t.  I don’t want an untrained technician fiddling with a complicated and bespoke Aston Martin issue.  The dealers have to pay to send their Master Technicians to Gaydon for training.  They pay to own special sets of tools needed for repairs.  They pay to own the fancy master computer that can talk to our cars and update the software.  They should be due a premium for this over the local mechanic, and this is fair since we rely on them to have that knowledge and those tools.  Could they offer a modern classics discount on the labor rate?  I would think 20% off might be possible and still leave them a decent margin.  Again, is it better to have 100% of nothing, or 80% of a large amount of work.  Work begets more work, so scaring a Gaydon era owner away with high prices doesn’t help anyone.

Hello?   Aston, are you out there?

So what does Aston Martin say on this?  I have no idea.  I’ve tried multiple times through a couple of channels to get their attention and ask this question to get a fair and considered answer, but when I’ve asked I either get no response or a response that they (personally) don’t know and will try and find someone to ask.  Then dead air.  I get it, I’m a nobody.  Or, maybe they don’t have an answer since it’s something big and fundamental that needs to be decided at the top of the organization.  Do they want to keep these cars on the road?

To Live or Let Die?

I am a staunch supporter of ‘Live’.  I would love to have a real and positive conversation with the leadership at Aston Martin wise and brave enough to consider this decision (Mr. Palmer I am at your disposal – please contact me so I can write a follow-up).  It can’t be an easy one to convince your peers (and now your shareholders) to lower prices to make more money.  Be brave.  We are waiting out here.  We all want to call our Mom’s.

[Dear Readers – please help me out – perhaps one of you either works for Aston or knows someone inside the Aston Machine.   If you could pass this article along to them I would truly love to have a dialog with Aston about this to learn their position and share it in a positive way, whatever it is.]


Aston Martin Quarterly Magazine

I originally wrote this article for the Winter 2019 edition of the Aston Martin Quarterly magazine.   I’ve heard it got published, but my copy of the magazine has never showed up.  Maybe my mailman keeps pinching it.  Regardless, I think all Aston owners should be active members of the Aston Martin Owners Club (AMOC) and with that you’ll receive the quarterly high quality coffee table editions of the AMQ magazine.  If you aren’t yet an AMOC member, please consider signing up here.

11 thoughts on “To Live or Let Die?

  1. Scott MacKenzie

    I have a 2007 DB9. I just spent more than 10% of the value of the car replacing all fluids, coils, plugs, and a few other issues. I didn’t do it myself because my wife hides tools from me for good reason. Yes the depreciation hurts, and I realize that I will never get my money back when I sell. However, except for a few items, using the various forums, I can find an identical part through the Ford, Jaguar or Volvo dealer. I have found an inordinate number of similar parts on my wife’s 2002 T-Bird and my DB9. I think there is an opportunity for smaller manufacturers or local companies to pick up and produce some of these parts, or find a company that is competent to restore your Aston – like Steel Wings in Ivyland PA.

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  2. Bernard Mishkin

    Can any Aston enthusiast recommend a competent independent Aston repair and service garage in the Los Angeles area?
    I too am sick of paying high prices and having poor service from the local Aston dealer repair shops!
    I support your efforts Steve!
    PS I have 2007 V8 Vantage

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  3. Robert Haywood

    Steve,
    You are to be applauded! You have put into words what many of us feel.
    I am the very proud owner of a 2005 DB9, number 2038, with 39.5k miles on the clock. Apart from a set of Carbon Black edition rims, the car is as ‘ex factory’ as it could be and is maintained by an AM trained independent technician. Fortunately, this chap is as keen on Astons as I am and the service he provides is second to none (in my opinion) at a fraction of the price of a main dealer.
    As an example of main dealer malaise, not long after I purchased the vehicle, it suffered a major electrical failure, the main computer board in the car shorted, causing a significant part of the loom to burn out. The cost of sorting it all out came to about £9.5k, but the real point of the story is that the first replacement board that the factory sent to the main dealer, only they being allowed to install all the flash coding, for security reasons, was in fact faulty. Not too bright, you would have thought that the factory might have tested it prior to despatch, but what really hurt was the fact that it took the main dealer 4 weeks (!) to discover that it was faulty! I am convinced that I was charged for that time too!
    I have little faith in main dealers, considering that they are really only motivated by sales of new models, despite the fact that their staff contend that they love working on Gaydon era vehicles as well as the even older models.
    At present, the technician that I use prefers to use original parts and since I have required very few, apart from the electrical components as above, I have not winced too much at the total cost of maintaining such an elegant car since the labour rate is about half that which the main dealer charges, so, overall, tolerable bills.
    Having said this, I totally support your view that reduced prices of spare parts, in line with true costs plus a modest margin perhaps, would be a real boon to owners of older vehicles that do not deserve to be consigned to the scrap heap (the cars!) due to excessively expensive spare parts.

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  4. Martin Schmidt

    You’re absolutely right. Unfortunately I’m absolutely positive that Mr. Palmer in terms of Aston Martin is not only incompetent but, even worse, he’s arrogant. I’ve written personally to him concerning some of the modern Astons but never received an answer. So I’m afraid that the chances Aston accommodates our interests are very little.
    My 2009 DB9 is looked after by two different mechanics: for the usual problems a very good oldtimer specialist is workung on my DB9, for special high end issues and inspections I bring my car to the dealer. Nevertheless it’s dear enough but saves a bit.
    What I will do is give your article to the officila Aston dealer here in Munich with whom I have a good relationship. Maybe he can promote our matter.

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  5. Graham Rollins

    AML to my mind is becoming a lost cause despite me owning one with pride. Someone thought the marque would be a money spinner (which it could well be) but it’s value is based on multiple aspects and it holds pole positions on many of them. To my mind their desire to break into differing categories of automotive design is at risk of weakening their exclusiveness. Back in the 1960s a single product of exquisite design would suffice, along with the feeling the owners were not in it just for the returns £/$. Volume is not king! Style is and style is more than just it’s looks. I’ve lusted after an Aston for many years but would have been content never to have owned one because even second hand (back then) were beyond my reach.
    I’ve owned my DB9 for 6 years, but contrary to your admiration of the dealer network I wouldn’t let them service my wheel barrow.The only enthusiasm they have is for lightening your bank account. (That said, non of our European quality manufacturers are slow at overvaluing their expertise)
    There is (as it’s always been) a slow attrition of these fabulous marques by premature obsolescence AKA db4/5 and 6 until the last few are worth millions.
    In the meantime we won’t stop people who think they have the whip-hand from exploiting “the enthusiasts”. Until we can beat them at their own game people like yourself and many other quality bloggers are the forefront of the knowledge acquisition. Then we have small engineering firms around the country who will seize the the opportunity to exploit the price void.
    I have a neighbour who road tests new developments for AML and he regularly tests in the USA but is very reserved when it comes to the politics of the company. I’ll raise the subject when I next see him.
    Keep up the good work.
    Graham.

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  6. Russell Taylor

    Hi Steve, saw this news today. Maybe the new boss will be open to some changes of attitude.

    Aston Martin has replaced CEO Andy Palmer with the current head of Mercedes-AMG as the ailing luxury sports carmaker tries to revive its fortunes.

    The company named 54-year old Tobias Moers as its new CEO in a statement Tuesday. Palmer, who has held the role since 2014, will step down at the end of this month, it added.

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  7. Richard Keenly

    I use an independent—Aston Trained—mechanic in San Mateo CA. Great guy, excellent service, no up-selling and very fair prices. Peninsula European. I just picked up my 2008 Vantage V8 from having it serviced yesterday and he told me not only did Aston replace their CEO, but have laid off about 350. He speculated Aston’s problems emerge because of their large portfolio of offerings and engine options now they’re also working with Mercedes.

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    1. Hi Richard. Thanks for sharing. Great to know there is a source on the Pennisula for service. What’s your technicians name? Tim Lyons?

      Yes, Aston is in trouble (as usual). I think they had a period of respite with the Gaydon cars (DB9, Vantage) because they finally hit on the perfect equation, but I don’t have the same passion about the new DB11, etc. Excellent cars, superior in mechanicals, electronics, etc (Mercedes incluence), but the car overall doesn’t make me go wow. Hopefully they survive.

      Thanks for sharing.

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      1. Richard Keenly

        My Aston Technician’s name is Robbie Allen. He’s British and Aston trained in the UK. Robbie worked for several Aston Dealers In CA before setting up his own shop (Peninsula European) in San Mateo a few years ago.

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